• Sunday, April 08, 2018 10:01 AM
    Message # 6052712

    I attended a meeting a few days and I gotta say that I am happy with what went on.  First off, our new president Ryan, and his staff, are seeing to it that we use the website like it was intended to be used.  That is a good thing for our record keeping requirement which heretofore has been somewhat lacking.  Lets keep that up.

    We picked up  few new members and one of them is younger than 65 years old!  Just kidding about the age thing but, we need more young people for sure.  Mark Kerfuss and his son John are doing a nice job on this by hosting the Aviation Explores Club at the hangar.  We also picked up some seasoned veterans, welcome aboard boys.  I wish we could get more women aviators to join too. 

    Ryan asked me to speak so I decided that I would talk about things I have seen on Youtube.  Everybody is videoing themselves nowadays and the internet is full of excellent teaching moments.  I had a list of 3 topics to discuss, accidental spins, impossible turns, and the Cirrus crash in Texas.  There is excellent video for all three of these topics.

    We had a vote, there were about 20 people there, on which one they wanted to discuss.  They picked accidental spins first, and if we had enough time the impossible turn.  The way I ran it was to show the film, and then let the audience discuss different points of it.  I would weigh in or explain as we went along.  Everybody was involved asking questions, making points, and listening to me.

    After the spins we talked about the impossible turn.  We spent about an hour and a half discussing these two topics in a fair degree of detail.  I was surprised when somebody asked if we could talk about the Texas crash and I almost moved on the subject but, I caught myself and said, “it’s 9:30, it’s past my bed time.”  so we called it a night and went home.  

    This is not the first time I have spoken to the group.  I have discussed aerodynamics and other subjects in the past and I feel like people really took something away from it.  So I started thinking that it might be something we could do at the chapter on a regular bases every other month or so.  We could hold court.  I would take a video or two from the internet and play them at a meeting.  Then the audience would discuss the event among themselves and come to a verdict, yea, or nay.  I would facilitate the discussion as it moves along.  I am willing to do this if you would like me to.

    So if you would like to hold, “582 court,” every 2 or 3 months, with Judge Bill David presiding, respond to this posting and voice your opinion.  You could help set up the rules for the court and how we run it at the first hearing.  It should be highly interactive while being interesting and informative on a number of member chosen subjects related to flying and safety.  Make sure you tell your fellow members about this and have them read and respond too.

    Bill David


  • Monday, April 09, 2018 11:37 AM
    Reply # 6077864 on 6052712

    Sounds like a great idea to me.  Let's do it.

  • Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:08 AM
    Reply # 6081114 on 6052712
    Glen Meiring (Administrator)

    I like the idea.  I found the discussion very informative.  I even went home and re watched the videos.  I "retaught" the things I learned to my wife.   (note the video links can be found in the meeting minutes under the Members Only menu)

    My only suggestion would be to find a more fitting name.  A friend of mine who now works in California says he graduated from "582 University".  Maybe this would be a good name.  I think the goal of these meetings is to come away learning something rather than finding a guilty verdict.  

    I like your quote about "... the case of ??? will be tried in the court of ..." I don't remember the exact quote but I appreciate the sentiment.  Maybe in these sessions we can learn and understand the laws of this court.   So I'm up to coming to "582 University" presided by professor Bill!

    Last modified: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:09 AM | Glen Meiring (Administrator)
  • Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:52 AM
    Reply # 6094514 on 6052712

    Thank you Glen, my saying is, “the politics of safety will be judged in the courtroom of physics, and common sense will be the jury.”

    Basically, this is the idea behind the reason for me referring to our new program as, “court.”  That said, I agree, the name, “582 University,” is more gooder.

    I have learned that two places to stay out of are the hospitals and courtrooms.  Nobody wants to go to either but, they sometimes end up in one or the other.  When it comes to flying I know I can help keep you out of the court of physics.  This courtroom is not like the ones you may be familiar with.  There are no attorneys, there is no session date or time, it doesn’t matter how much money you have or how famous you are.  It truly puts all defendants on a level playing field, it has no prejudice.  Judgement is always swift, compliant, and final.  There are no appeals.

    The best way to stay out of the courtroom of physics is knowledge and proficiency, and these little sessions can be learned quite nicely in our learning center. 

    So far me, you and Hank are the only ones that responded to my first suggestion.  That means If I make a motion to implement, “582 University,” would there be a second?  Hank?

    Bill David

  • Friday, April 13, 2018 11:45 AM
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  • Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:24 PM
    Reply # 6100433 on 6052712
    Glen Meiring (Administrator)

    If I may continue the metaphor, could it be that we are all defendants in this courtroom of physics every time we fly?  The only way to avoid prosecution is to study the laws of this court and the cases of others?   

  • Wednesday, April 18, 2018 9:05 AM
    Reply # 6108934 on 6052712

    Correct Glen.  You enter the courtroom of physics when you hop into an airplane, regardless of the length, direction, or destination of the flight.  The whole time your actions are being judged by multiple judges named time, speed, centrifugal, and potential, among others.  Individually these judges may have little effect on the outcome of your mistakes but, when they start working in concert, beware of their wrath.

    So I thought I would get a head-start on what we will discuss about the structure of our 582 University classes;

    The first rule is that all discussions will be based on a video of an actual flight, they will not be hypothetical.

    Discussion will be divided up in the manner the, “referee,” will decide.  The referee must be prepared and knowledgable of the content of the video.

    The primary participants are the classroom attendees, the referee facilitates.

    That is all I have for now, we should try to make it simple of course.  Judging from the avalanche of the responses to our discussion, ( me, you, and Hank,) it should only take a few minutes to put the guidelines down for the program.  So think about it so we can getterdone at the next meeting.


  • Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:01 AM
    Reply # 6255852 on 6052712

    Theme ideas for 582U

    1. Go Arounds -- there are videos of for arounds gone bad and times when a go around would have been a better option.

    2. Density Altitude -- chopping down trees using airplanes

    3. Crosswind Technique -- blown away

    4. Wheel Barrowing vs Full Stall Landings or "PIOs took my nose wheel away"

  • Friday, May 20, 2022 9:08 AM
    Reply # 12787634 on 6052712
    Stephen Cechner (Administrator)


    Perhaps we can revisit some learning from seasoned  professionals again?

  • Sunday, June 26, 2022 12:34 PM
    Reply # 12829361 on 6052712

    Concur.  I suggest some of the VFR Mastery videos from Pilot Workshops.  They are well done and allow you to hear the opinions of a wide variety of professional pilots and CFI's


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